Also please refrain from getting ad hominem, that’s really not necessary and won’t strengthen your position in anyone’s eyes.
GP, are you the same person as Cam Camil/riderplus (and others)?
@jhass Then please don’t make subjective observations that add nothing to the discussion: “I don’t like most emoji image representations in general”
I’m not allowed to express my opinion now?
@jhass The proposal is yet vague because it’s about the concept, and not about the technology itself. There are probably multiple ways to achieve this. However, the current preferred method is the one Twitter, WordPress and @dumitruursu are using, which involves replacing the characters with images. That’s the only way to achieve this yet, because fonts do not support colors (unless, on desktop computers). Google is working on a font for that (Google Noto Sans), but it’s not yet supported.
@jhass Of course, but then I also have the right to declare your opinion as “whimsical”.
@goob I have no idea who these people are. However, if you are referring to my attitude, it seems like I may not be the only one to feel the same way about diaspora*: I feel like diaspora* is currently being managed by a developer oligarchy which is hindering the UX part of diaspora* from moving forward.
However, consider this as off-topic from the discussion. Also don’t take this in consideration when voting for the proposal.
@gp I’d like to use an emoji font instead of images. We already switched to an icon font (entypo) and that works really well so far. (except for joindiaspora but that is pod specific) We wouldn’t have to replace characters and could just parse the text and add a specific class to some characters to display them with the emoji font.
Just like @jhass I haven’t seen an emoji font that would fit our current design.
The proposal is yet vague because it’s about the concept, and not about the technology itself.
And I’m saying that such a proposal that doesn’t make clear on how to do it and how it would look like, is rather useless and won’t add anything to the discussion, as you phrased it.
That’s the only way to achieve this yet, because fonts do not support colors
That assumes “this” is “colored emoji”, which is nowhere made clear. Microsoft is doing grayscale emoji since the 90s (see Webdings) and basically 90% of the Unicode Emojis added by Unicode 7 are coming from these.
Of course, but then I also have the right to declare your opinion as “whimsical”.
I think there’s an important difference in saying “I don’t like X” and “X is okay because Y is Z”, with Y being a person and Z being an insult.
@steffenvanbergerem Then I suggest that you use the current workaround @dumitruursu is working on instead of waiting for a font to be developed. What matters right now is that emojis are not currently being supported and that most of them can only be viewed on smartphones. There is no such thing as an emoji font yet, except Noto Sans Emoji which is not designed to be a Web font.
Better support any emoji design than no emoji at all.
@jhass Relax! Further proposals will make decisions on futher details. The current proposal is to see if it is relevant and important to support emojis, or if it’s just a pointless idea. There’s no need to come up with a 100% established solution yet (especially because there are more than one complete solution).
Microsoft is now working on full-color emojis.
As you can see, colored emoji fonts are being developed, but only as proprietary and native projects. That’s why Twitter’s emojis are so good.
Better support any emoji design than no emoji at all.
I disagree. While it would be great if we would support emojis (in terms of displaying them with a special font) I still think that implementation and design matters and if that is bad I’d rather wait.
There is no such thing as an emoji font yet
I’m on my laptop. I use Firefox.
$ pacman -Qs noto
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Yet I do not see any squares in the proposal but a turtle. Must be the NSA messing with my computer or somehting…
There’s no need to come up with a 100% established solution yet
Okay, then I’ll probably just ignore Loomio from now on and you can find somebody else to merge PRs I disagree with. But I’d rather prefer to not waste my time on voting on even more “I can haz this please” proposals.
@steffenvanbergerem If a special font did exist, then right now Twitter and WordPress would not be working on a JavaScript technology.
What’s wrong about Twemoji?
What’s wrong about Twemoji?
Nothing, the issue is that you’re trying to change people’s opinions. Some people, including me and apparently Steffen, just don’t like the looks of the provided graphical emojis or graphical emojis in general. That’s it.
@jhass Indeed, you just proved my point that there is no such thing as an emoji font for the web yet.
The turtle is a proof that you’re on an unfair system. Most people don’t see the turtle, and that’s the problem. Diaspora* users should not be forced to use Arch Linux with Noto installed in order to see the turtle.
Okay, then I’ll probably just ignore Loomio from now on and you can find somebody else to merge PRs I disagree with. But I’d rather prefer to not waste my time on voting on even more “I can haz this please” proposals.
As you wish. However, I suggest being patient and let things come when it is time. @dumitruursu is working on a solution. After the first proposal will end, if it is favorable to emojis then another proposal would be created to determine whether his solution should be merged as a temporary workaround. As I said, it would be pointless to just ask everyone “Should be merge @dumitruursu’s work?” because we should first decide whether or not we care about emojis.
@jhass It doesn’t matter if you don’t like graphical emojis, since you would only see them when people would want to use them. For example, I don’t personally care if “ß” is supported by diaspora* or not, but it has to be supported by diaspora* since some people want to use it.
So you’re saying I should not follow people because they use emojis I don’t like, while I like what they write? I shouldn’t express my opinion on them just because I potentially could ignore all people using them? Sorry, but now you’re talking bullshit. Also you start to mix topics again, being able to store and deliver the unicode codepoints and replacing them by some alternate representation or even delivering a font that can represent them are very distinct technical aspects.
@jhass I’m not saying that.
Weird, English is not my native tongue, but my past experience has shown me that my reading comprehension is not too bad.
@jhass What I mean is that don’t forbid people from expressing themselves with the characters they want because you don’t like these characters or the way they are stylized.