Diaspora* statement


(blume) #1

Hello everybody,

my english isn’t that good, so I will write this post in german first, so my german-speaking friends may be able to explain points in the later discussion in english which i can’t.

In letzter Zeit habe ich das Gefühl, dass immer mehr Menschen zu diaspora* kommen. Das freut mich prinzipiell ersteinmal. Leider ist es so, dass einige Menschen über youtube-Werbevideos auf diaspora* aufmerksam werden, welche diaspora* als Raum der “freien Meinungsäußerung” und “ohne Zensur” betiteln. Das ganze geschieht in einem Kontext, welcher an Verschwörungstheorien denken lässt.

Besagte Person, welche diese Videos erstellt, erstellt zudem Videos, welche sich abwertend und diskriminierend über Feministen, Islamisten und Anti-Rassismus-Aktivisten äußern. Auch die erstellten Posts bei diaspora* gehen in diese Richtung. Die Menschen, die dem Aufruf dieser Menschen folgen, haben demnach wohl ähnliche Ansichten.

diaspora* stellt für mich einen Ort dar, der aufgrund seiner Dezentralität und der damit verbundenen Möglichkeit, eigene Pods zu erstellen, natürlich ersteinmal ohne “Zensur” auskommt, und diese auch nicht durchführen kann. Aber gerade deswegen denke ich, liegt es in der Verantwortung der User_innen, freundlich und respektvoll miteinander umzugehen. An dieser Stelle möchte ich das ständige Motto des c3 zitieren “Be excellent to each other”!
Ich habe Angst davor, dass diaspora* zu einem Ort wird, bei dem jede_r “tun und lassen kann, was sie/er will”, und dies auch medial und in der Öffentlichkeit so wahrgenommen wird - als ein Ort, an dem trolling, hatespeech, Diskriminierung und shitstorm ungehindert auftreten können. Denn diaspora* ist für mich eigentlich etwas ganz anderes! Und das kann es meiner Meinung auch sein, wenn wir uns respektvoll begegnen - “Be excellent to each other”!
Wie aber könnte soetwas in die Praxis umgesetzt werden? Der c3 als Club hat auf seiner Internetseite folgendes Statement stehen: Wir sind eine galaktische Gemeinschaft von Lebewesen, unabhängig von Alter, Geschlecht und Abstammung sowie gesellschaftlicher Stellung, offen für alle mit neuen Ideen. Wer jedoch mit Ideen von Rassismus, Ausgrenzung und damit verbundener struktureller und körperlicher Gewalt auf uns zukommt, hat sich vom Dialog verabschiedet und ist jenseits der Akzeptanzgrenze. Wer es darauf anlegt, das Zusammenleben in dieser Gesellschaft zu zerstören und auf eine alternative Gesellschaft hinarbeitet, deren Grundsätze auf Chauvinismus und Nationalismus beruht, arbeitet gegen die moralischen Grundsätze, die uns als Club verbinden.

diaspora* ist kein Club, und kann dementsprechend Menschen nicht ausschließen und kein Verhalten vorschreiben. Aber diaspora* kann meiner Ansicht nach Stellung beziehen - und jede_r einzelne Podbetreiber_in kann das für ihren/seinen eigenen Pod tun. Die Idee ist, auf der Anmeldeseite der einzelnen Pods, auf der diaspora*-Seite und vll auch (das wäre mein Favorit) in der Seitenleiste meines eigenen Streams (wo auch “Begrüße neue Nutzer” oder “Benötigst du Hilfe?” steht) einen Text zu stellen, der das wünschenswerte Verhalten der diaspora*-Nutzer_innen beschreibt. Gerne in Anlehnung an das c3 Statement.
Damit würde sich diaspora* klar positionieren - ohne zu sanktionieren (das bleibt den einzelnen Pod-Betreiber_innen überlassen). diaspora* kann somit in der Öffentlichkeit zeigen, dass es für einen respektvollen Umgang miteinander steht, und sich diesen auch von seinen Nutzer_innen wünscht. Menschen, die gegen diesen Wunsch handeln, werden nicht ausgeschlossen, aber würden bei jeder Anmeldung (oder sogar ständig durch die Seitenleiste neben dem Stream) darauf hingewiesen, dass ihr Verhalten dem nicht entspricht.

Um Elie Wiesel zu zitieren: “Man muss Partei ergreifen. Neutralität hilft dem Unterdrücker, niemals dem Opfer. Stillschweigen bestärkt den Peiniger, niemals den Gepeinigten.”.

Ich würde mich über eure Meinung zu dem Thema freuen.
Be excellent to each other!

blume

Lately I get the feeling there are more and more new people on diaspora*. First of all: that’s great! But some of them had known about diaspora* because of youtube-advertisments made by people, who describe diaspora* as a place with freedom of speech and without censorship. All of this in a context reminding of conspiracy theories.

Besides, the person making these videos is also making videos about feminists, islamists and anti-racism-activists in a discriminatory way. Even his posts on diaspora* have the same intention. People following his youtube-advertisment or his invitations may have similar opinions.

diaspora* is a place with no censorship because of its decentralized structure and the possibility to have your own pod. That are reasons why we need a friendly and respectful behavior in our interaction. To quote the c3: “Be excellent to each other”!
I’m afraid, diaspora* i becoming a place everybodys just doing what they want with trolling, hatespeech, discrimination and shitstorms, and that this is the picture the public will have of it. But for me, diaspora* is very different from that! And in my opinion, it can stay that way if we behave in a kind way - “Be excellent to each other”!
What does that mean for diaspora*? On its website the c3 has this following statement: We’re a galactic community of beings, disparate in age, gender, origin or social status, open to everybody with new ideas. However those approaching us with ideas of racism, marginalization and the connected structural and physical violence, are disengaged from any dialog and are beyond any level of acceptance. Those aiming to destroy the coexistence in this society, who work towards an alternative society based on chauvinism and nationalism, are working against the moral principles that unites our club. (thanks to @jhass for translating).

diaspora* is no club. It can’t exclude people or dictade a specific behavior. But it can make a statement! And so can the people hosting a pod. Maybe a statement can be shown on the sign in page or the landing page. Or even next to the stream (wehre the #newhere instruction stands). This statement could include the preferable behavior at diaspora* maybe following the c3 statement. Doing this diaspora* would make a point without penalilty. No one will be excluded because of not behaving this way. But it’s seen every time the person is on diaspora* that it’s behavior is not wanted.

To quote Elie Wiesel: “We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented."

I would like to here your opinions about this.
Be excellent to each other!

blume


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(theradialactive) #2

I would like to see something like that. Maybe on the homepage. Maybe implemented in the code like blume said.

At first it has a social dimension: People who are joining the network see, that diaspora wants to be a place for respectful discussion and that anybody can join it.

From a branding standpoint it’s even better: If diaspora changes (in the public eye) to something we don’t want (because of it’s userbase), we always can point to the “Be excellent to each other” manifesto (there might be a better word for that) and differenciate between the project diaspora and the diaspora userbase that shape discussions on the network.

And the idea is great because the manifesto does not dictate how to deal with those unrespectful behavior. That is in the hand of the podmin. So it respects the rights of everyone, but sets a statement.


(Rasmus Fuhse) #3

People who do bad always think they’re devoted to the good. I doubt that such a disclaimer will stop people to rethink what they are doing in any way. But still such a disclaimer could be helpful for marketing reasons to position our network as an open and tolerant community.


(Monkeymind) #4

I like this a lot. It may not deter racists, sexists and other assorted chauvinists, but it will give the rest of us something to work from when confronting them.

Also, everything @theradialactive and @rasmusfuhse said.


(Miko) #5

Hi, blume! That’s an interesting marketing/ public relations idea,
as Rasmuss emphasized, people most commonly are convinced their doings are in a sense on the “good” side.

I didn’t recognize that at all, and didn’t last time, when one on a Suisse pod was getting stalked and black mailed… Thank you for the action taking and consciousness.


(Steffen van Bergerem) #6

Let me talk about two related issues that we – as a project – are already dealing with before coming back to your ideas.

  1. We already have a code of conduct for all communication channels that we (= the project) are in control of. This applies especially to the github repo and this Loomio group but it has no effect on the network itself as long as your actions aren’t related to your work inside of the project. (Like using the diaspora hq account or representing the project in any other way)

  2. About two years ago we had some ISIS supporters who joined the network and used diaspora* for their propaganda.There are also two blogposts about that issue: [1] [2] In these blogposts we pointed out that because of the design of the network as a distributed system we are unable to enforce rules for the whole network. At the same time we were keeping track of active ISIS accounts, talked to their podmins and almost all accounts have been removed within a few hours.

Now back to your ideas. As I already pointed out the project is unable to enforce rules for the network. But what we can (and in my opinion also should) do is to speak in public about our vision of a well-working network and community and about the kind of behavior that we would like to encourage. This could be done with a new blogpost and maybe could also be part of the information about the project on our website.

I also really like the phrase “be excellent to each other” and I’d like to see that next to the invitation to welcome new users in the sidebar. (Like “Follow #newhere and welcome new users to diaspora*! Be excellent to each other!”) From a UX point of view I’d like to avoid having a lot of text in the sidebar so I’m not sure about having the whole statement there. We also have a link to the terms of service on the login page and in the sidebar and I don’t think that there are a lot of users reading something like that.

So all in all I’d like to see a blogpost + a statement on our website and the phrase “be excellent to each other” in the sidebar. (for now)


(Frank TumbleWeed) #7

I’m impressed by the way this subject is dicussed here and like the idea of Steffen van Bergerem.


(goob) #8

So all in all I’d like to see a blogpost + a statement on our website and the phrase “be excellent to each other” in the sidebar. (for now)

With an image?

Bill and Ted


(Steffen van Bergerem) #9

We added “Be excellent to each other” to the sidebar: https://github.com/diaspora/diaspora/pull/6914.

Suggestions for the statement are highly appreciated.


(Milan) #10

I still think it’s useful to add a motd feature with this message as an example. (Disabled by default so the individual podmin is free to decide) [1] [2]
Also i still think, that the current message is way more beautiful when it’s centered.


(blume) #11

We wrote a statement for diaspora* - here it is:

diaspora* - statement

diaspora* provides all kind of creatures - regardless of age, bodysize, disability, ethnicity, gender identity, expression, level of experience, nationality, personal appearance, race, religion, sexual identity, or orientation - the opportunity to connect in a decentralized social network. To give all of us the best possible time on diaspora*, we envision a respectful interaction. As the diaspora* community, we stand together against any kind of discrimination and exclusion. We don’t except posts based on principles of chauvinism and nationalism. We disaprove racist remarks and downplaying of historic and current fascist violence. We oppose any kind of exclusion and the related structural and physical violence.

diaspora*'s idea of a decentralized network allows no banning of members. Ever more important for diaspora* to live on is a considerate interaction based on the ideals of the diaspora*-community.
Be excellent to each other and stay calm.

How to do this?

  • Using welcoming and inclusive language
  • Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences
  • Gracefully accepting constructive criticism
  • Showing empathy towards other community members
  • Don’t use sexualized language or imagery and unwelcome sexual attention or advances
  • Don’t troll, post insulting/derogatory comments, and don’t do personal or political attacks
  • No public or private harassment

(Comrade Senya) #12

Where is it gonna be published?


(blume) #13

Also: Give people the benefit of the doubt. You might be interpreting the wrong way!


(Steffen van Bergerem) #14

I think publishing it as a blog post would be great. Afterwards we could use the text “Be excellent to each other” in the sidebar to link to the blog post.


(Comrade Senya) #15

I’m thinking of translation. The statement requires it. Maybe if we
publish it on the foundation website, we can then reuse webtranslate.it
for translation of the statement?


(blume) #16

Transaltions would be great! I’d love to see the statement on the registration-side from every pod. So new users directly get in contact with the terms of behavior (i mean the statement :wink: ). But this is not on me to decide.


(Comrade Senya) #17

You can rise voting on this proposal in this thread on loomio. However,
placement of the statement to the pod software would mean that podmins
are able to alter the text on their own.


(blume) #18

This is the actual statement:
diaspora* - statement

diaspora* provides all kind of creatures - regardless of age, bodysize, disability, ethnicity, gender identity, expression, level of experience, nationality, personal appearance, race, religion, sexual identity, or orientation - the opportunity to connect in a decentralized social network. To give all of us the best possible time on diaspora*, we envision a respectful interaction. As the diaspora* community, we stand together against any kind of discrimination and exclusion. We don’t except posts based on principles of chauvinism and nationalism. We disaprove racist remarks and downplaying of historic and current fascist violence. We oppose any kind of exclusion and the related structural and physical violence.

diaspora*'s idea of a decentralized network allows no banning of members. Ever more important for diaspora* to live on is a considerate interaction based on the ideals of the diaspora*-community.
Be excellent to each other and stay calm.

How to do this?

  • Using welcoming and inclusive language
  • Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences
  • Gracefully accepting constructive criticism
  • Showing empathy towards other community members
  • Don’t use sexualized language or imagery and unwelcome sexual attention or advances
  • Don’t troll, post insulting/derogatory comments, and don’t do personal or political attacks
  • No public or private harassment
  • Give people the benefit of the doubt. You might be interpreting the wrong way!

(blume) #19

Proposal: diaspora* statement

we’re goining to publish the diaspora* statement as a blog post also using the text “Be excellent to each other” in the sidebar to link to the blog post.


Outcome: publishing statement as discussed :heart:

Votes:

  • Yes: 19
  • Abstain: 1
  • No: 1
  • Block: 0

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(Flaburgan) #20

I’m not a big fan of lists, because you always forget someone. I would stay with a generic “Every human beings” or something like that.